English Advanced Question Thread

[jamonwindeyer]

Helloo, 

For a module B essay, what should the structure for it be? I'm doing T.S Eliot poems and im integrating two poems in one paragraph and having 3 body paragraphs altogether. But my feedback from trials said that this structure wasn't really working, so i dont know if i should try and make it work or if i should structure my essay differently?

Thanks

Hey Elenaa! Without seeing the essay I can't quite be sure (I can give you some feedback in our marking threads, but you do need 15 posts) it might be worth at least trying a new structure though! Are you using every poem in your essay? If so, perhaps look at only using a handful, two or three, and integrating them ALL into 3 paragraphs each based on a theme? So, Paragraph 1, how do your chosen poems represent the theme? Paragraph 2, same thing new theme. Etc

[ssarahj]

Topic Sentence: Identify the theme and link to the texts
First Half of Paragraph: How does KRIII represent the theme?
Second Half: How does Pacino accentuate it (explore differently or the same)?
Conclude

This is what I'd call a semi-integrated approach, because you still divide by the text in the paragraph. This was my preferred approach in most Module A essays, might be worth a try

Definitely agree with trying a kind of 'semi-integrated' paragraph structure!! That is pretty much exactly what I do for Module A essays (just with The Prince and Julius Caesar instead). If you want to try this and get some feedback, post your essay up on the marking forums when you hit 15 posts vyca!!

[Elenaa]

Hey Elenaa! Without seeing the essay I can't quite be sure (I can give you some feedback in our marking threads, but you do need 15 posts) it might be worth at least trying a new structure though! Are you using every poem in your essay? If so, perhaps look at only using a handful, two or three, and integrating them ALL into 3 paragraphs each based on a theme? So, Paragraph 1, how do your chosen poems represent the theme? Paragraph 2, same thing new theme. Etc

Hi Jamon!!
I'm only talking about 2 poems in the whole essay, so yea for para 1 i talked about how the two poems represent a theme and same for para 2 how the two poems represent a different theme. But i was also wondering, does module B require us to talk about the poems together in one paragraph and sort of relate it to each other and to the theme or can we just talk about one poem per paragraph but relate the two paragraphs (poems) to the same theme, so like for eg, the poems i'm doing are Prufrock and Rhapsody,
Body 1: Prufrock --> Theme 1
Body 2: Rhapsody --> Theme 1
Body 3: Prufrock --> Theme 2
Body 4: Rhapsody --> Theme 2
That's the other structure i was thinking of doing but then i felt like the integrated structure would be better... i dont know

Thanks again !!

[melprocrastinator]

Hi Jamon!!
I'm only talking about 2 poems in the whole essay, so yea for para 1 i talked about how the two poems represent a theme and same for para 2 how the two poems represent a different theme. But i was also wondering, does module B require us to talk about the poems together in one paragraph and sort of relate it to each other and to the theme or can we just talk about one poem per paragraph but relate the two paragraphs (poems) to the same theme, so like for eg, the poems i'm doing are Prufrock and Rhapsody,
Body 1: Prufrock --> Theme 1
Body 2: Rhapsody --> Theme 1
Body 3: Prufrock --> Theme 2
Body 4: Rhapsody --> Theme 2
That's the other structure i was thinking of doing but then i felt like the integrated structure would be better... i dont know

Thanks again !!

Hey, I do T.S Eliot as well, the way we (my school) structures it is having "one paragraph" (because it gets split into sub paragraphs becase 600 words is too long for one paragraph) on one poem. This works because usually the poem builds on itself. E.g. the hollowmen, it all builds up to that sort of creepy end.

So we do two paragraphs, one paragraph per poem. However we are encouraged to integrate a third poem in between the paragraphs. For example if there are two poems where he mentions "the eyes", i would add that quote from the third poem, and integrate it into my two original poem paragraphs. im sorry if thats confusing to explain, but basically Having a sentence like
 """Eliot emphasies the hopelessness though the imagery of the eyes, which can also be seen in *insert third poem name with quote* ultimatley showing blah blah""""  add something about the despair and disintegration of society and you should be fine haha.
Basically trying to find linking quotes/themes between the poems. I think the easiest way to do this, is to pick your two poems. Write your paragraphs, then try to integrate the third 
just my two cents

[melprocrastinator]

Does anyone have any word suggestions/ synonyms for "criticises" or "critical tone" because in the sentence leading up to my quote i say the character criticises a ceratin behaviour, but i wanted to use the technique of critical tone. But its sounds really repetitive that way She's almost condemning her but not quite.
#englishHSCproblems

[jamonwindeyer]

Hi Jamon!!
I'm only talking about 2 poems in the whole essay, so yea for para 1 i talked about how the two poems represent a theme and same for para 2 how the two poems represent a different theme. But i was also wondering, does module B require us to talk about the poems together in one paragraph and sort of relate it to each other and to the theme or can we just talk about one poem per paragraph but relate the two paragraphs (poems) to the same theme, so like for eg, the poems i'm doing are Prufrock and Rhapsody,
Body 1: Prufrock --> Theme 1
Body 2: Rhapsody --> Theme 1
Body 3: Prufrock --> Theme 2
Body 4: Rhapsody --> Theme 2
That's the other structure i was thinking of doing but then i felt like the integrated structure would be better... i dont know

Thanks again !!

Cool! There is nothing that seems off about that structure to me, and I definitely think an integrated approach is in general more effective!

Adding a third poem (as suggested above) might be worth a look, but nothing about your structure itself suggests an issue for me! If you like you might want to post it in a marking thread for one of us to take a closer look at (remember the 15 posts per essay rule)

[jamonwindeyer]

Does anyone have any word suggestions/ synonyms for "criticises" or "critical tone" because in the sentence leading up to my quote i say the character criticises a ceratin behaviour, but i wanted to use the technique of critical tone. But its sounds really repetitive that way She's almost condemning her but not quite.
#englishHSCproblems

Maybe something like, "the author adopts a disparaging tone"? Or maybe denounces instead of criticises?

[lululu]

Hi Elyse! firstly thanks so much for your help, I attended your UTS lecture yesterday and thought it was great! I just thought of a question I had forgotten to ask you afterwards in regards to a two-part thesis. I'm struggling specifically with Module B (Hamlet) because I feel there is so much to talk about and I hate writing essays exploring only one theme. This means that I'm trying to come to my own understanding of the text as a whole (and memorise a hell of a lot of quotes) so that I can respond to any question in the exam and be flexible. Due to this I really liked the idea of a two-part thesis statement because it allows some more freedom in answering the exam question. How would you go about writing a two-part thesis? what is the structure? In my head I imagined it as if the first half of the thesis would be the last sentence of the Introduction and the second half, concluding "what you have learned" about Hamlet, would be the last sentence of the conclusion. Is this correct? and if so, what do you say in the first half (the intro thesis?) something along the lines of "It is necessary to examine the influences of his context on Shakespeare's treatment of Hamlet's moral dilemma"... and then at the end state WHAT exactly you have concluded from the "examination" (body paragraphs)? UGH sorry i'm just a bit confused! thanks!

[ssarahj]

Does anyone have any word suggestions/ synonyms for "criticises" or "critical tone" because in the sentence leading up to my quote i say the character criticises a ceratin behaviour, but i wanted to use the technique of critical tone. But its sounds really repetitive that way She's almost condemning her but not quite.
#englishHSCproblems

Maybe something like, "the author adopts a disparaging tone"? Or maybe denounces instead of criticises?

Everything that Jamon said + Make a thesaurus your literal best friend, I spend SO long searching through the one on my Mac trying to find the perfect word for things #englishNERDproblems 

[RuiAce]

Everything that Jamon said + Make a thesaurus your literal best friend, I spend SO long searching through the one on my Mac trying to find the perfect word for things #englishNERDproblems 

Oh nah this is relatable. I didn't bother making a thesaurus but I did use thesaurus.com more often than I used dictionary.com

[vyca]

For MOD A, when they ask for the "nature" of something (e.g identity in KRII AND LFR) what are they asking us to look at. I know that "nature" is a broad generalisation - all i could think of is the identity of the character?

[jamonwindeyer]

For MOD A, when they ask for the "nature" of something (e.g identity in KRII AND LFR) what are they asking us to look at. I know that "nature" is a broad generalisation - all i could think of is the identity of the character?

Hey! Nature is something you can take very broadly indeed, it's basically just giving you a free ticket to answer the following question: How is the idea of identity explored/tackled in the text? There is no right/wrong interpretation here, if you are talking about identity, you are answering the question, though the word explore does demand a certain level of depth

[Deng]

Repost from the AOS Creative Forum because i dont know if it was meant to be asked there

This forum seems more appropriate despite it not being AOS

Not necessarily marking also not sure where else to ask but i was wondering for my creative if i had it revolving around flashbacks throughout would it work. I'm semi worried that it would come off as a "and then i woke up" kind of story :/

In its most simplest form my creative goes like this
Mum has alzheimer
Goes down memory lane ( 3 time skips ) ( career disputes/run away from home)
Back to present, mum hands letter where it shows renewed perspectives on her job / renewed perspective

(PS: This is a respost )

[jamonwindeyer]

Repost from the AOS Creative Forum because i dont know if it was meant to be asked there

This forum seems more appropriate despite it not being AOS

Not necessarily marking also not sure where else to ask but i was wondering for my creative if i had it revolving around flashbacks throughout would it work. I'm semi worried that it would come off as a "and then i woke up" kind of story :/

In its most simplest form my creative goes like this
Mum has alzheimer
Goes down memory lane ( 3 time skips ) ( career disputes/run away from home)
Back to present, mum hands letter where it shows renewed perspectives on her job / renewed perspective

(PS: This is a respost )

Hey Deng! That's cool, sorry for not noticing it over in AoS! Elyse might stop in and give you her opinion over there when she's back online, she's the creative expert

In my opinion, flashbacks are a really powerful way to add perspective to a piece. When used well, they are great! As you say though, you just need to make sure it is used in a way that works effectively, doesn't become cliched or overly "recount" styled.

You can avoid this by being creative with your transitions between flashback and reality. Don't say anything like, "And then I woke up," try and be a little more creative and a little more subtle with that transition. Just jump straight into the reality and let the audience realise on their own that you've transitioned

[Sssssrr]

For Mod C: People and Politics, can we use 2 related texts or would that be frowned upon?