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[EvangelionZeta]

Just wondering - does anyone know why Melb Uni scrapped undergraduate law (ie. LLB)?

Attempt to emulate US universities, where the only undergraduate degrees are Arts and Science.

[AzureBlue]

Just wondering - does anyone know why Melb Uni scrapped undergraduate law (ie. LLB)?

Attempt to emulate US universities, where the only undergraduate degrees are Arts and Science.

US universities don't even have undergrad commerce or law? Wow... so if you want to do law at, say, Harvard or something, you have to do undergrad arts or science, then go into postgraduate law (similar to the Melbourne model).

[Glockmeister]

More or less. In fact, that's really where the Melbourne Model got its ideas from really (why you might see the Melbourne Model referred to as a US-style system)

[tram]

out of intrest, anyone know how you get into postgraduate law at ivy league unis?? do you need to sit the SAT or anything, and what else is it based on?

[AzureBlue]

out of intrest, anyone know how you get into postgraduate law at ivy league unis?? do you need to sit the SAT or anything, and what else is it based on?

Check this out: http://www.law.harvard.edu/prospective/jd/apply/the-application-process/jdfaq.html
You need to do something like:
   1. Take the Law School Admission Test (LSAT)
   2. Register for LSAC's Credential Assembly Service (LSDAS) and pay all appropriate fees
   3. Submit all undergraduate and graduate transcripts to LSAC
   4. Submit two letters of recommendation to LSAC
   5. Submit your HLS application, personal statement and resume electronically
   6. Pay the $85 application fee
   7. Check the status of your HLS application online

[tram]

okkkkkkkkk.....after looking at that site......i am NOT COMPLAINING about the fees of our JDs anymore.....

[EvangelionZeta]

Just wondering - does anyone know why Melb Uni scrapped undergraduate law (ie. LLB)?

Attempt to emulate US universities, where the only undergraduate degrees are Arts and Science.

US universities don't even have undergrad commerce or law? Wow... so if you want to do law at, say, Harvard or something, you have to do undergrad arts or science, then go into postgraduate law (similar to the Melbourne model).

Basically it comes from a line of thought (pretty much what James Lu advocates, incidentally) that a University education should be about the EDUCATION, as opposed to the vocational aspect of it.  By giving undergraduates a "general knowledge" of various disciplines (in the US, you HAVE to do a certain number of Arts, Science, Language and Writing subjects, amongst other things I think), their philosophy is to produce students who are well-rounded and prepared for the work force both skills-wise and mind-wise - hence why putting the skills part of the education (ie. the Law or business degree) after the "knowledge" part is enforced.

[AzureBlue]

Basically it comes from a line of thought (pretty much what James Lu advocates, incidentally) that a University education should be about the EDUCATION, as opposed to the vocational aspect of it.  By giving undergraduates a "general knowledge" of various disciplines (in the US, you HAVE to do a certain number of Arts, Science, Language and Writing subjects, amongst other things I think), their philosophy is to produce students who are well-rounded and prepared for the work force both skills-wise and mind-wise - hence why putting the skills part of the education (ie. the Law or business degree) after the "knowledge" part is enforced.

LOL did James end up accepting the offer to Oxford or Yale?
Yeah, personally, I think the Melb Model/US structure is a great idea as it does broaden the experiences and views of students. I don't just want to do one area of study in my uni course, and of course I would love to incorporate arts subjects (such as creative writing, politics or history) and some law into my undergrad commerce degree (breadth is awesome ...

[EvangelionZeta]

Basically it comes from a line of thought (pretty much what James Lu advocates, incidentally) that a University education should be about the EDUCATION, as opposed to the vocational aspect of it.  By giving undergraduates a "general knowledge" of various disciplines (in the US, you HAVE to do a certain number of Arts, Science, Language and Writing subjects, amongst other things I think), their philosophy is to produce students who are well-rounded and prepared for the work force both skills-wise and mind-wise - hence why putting the skills part of the education (ie. the Law or business degree) after the "knowledge" part is enforced.

LOL did James end up accepting the offer to Oxford or Yale?
Yeah, personally, I think the Melb Model/US structure is a great idea as it does broaden the experiences and views of students. I don't just want to do one area of study in my uni course, and of course I would love to incorporate arts subjects (such as creative writing, politics or history) and some law into my undergrad commerce degree (breadth is awesome ...

Yale - he actually got offers to Harvard and Princeton as well though, apparently.

[EvangelionZeta]

He's going to Yale - as we've just established, he can't study Law at undergraduate level there.  :p

If you mean NOW now, he's not doing any Uni at all in Australia - he basically became a full-time tutor for the first half of the year...

[EvangelionZeta]

They pick a course.  Not sure if I'm at liberty to tell you the subjects James is choosing though...

[AzureBlue]

Kk, as you can see, I know nothing about overseas universities because I'm pretty much set on Melbourne lol

[simpak]

Hahaha oh man yeah, you're in the same position as me kind of, only I am already at Melbz.
I have guaranteed full fee and currently have a H1 average.
However, I can't afford 90 000 dollars
So I will have to compete if I decide I definitely want to do the JD.  It doesn't seem too bad though, like, it will be competitive but if you keep scores that are above your peers then it seems less daunting?  It doesn't phase me so much now, it seems like something that could be achievable.

Only this guy outside REB after the final exam I had, which was also the last exam time slot, last Friday, who was like 'oh yeah man, gonna go to the library now, got the LSAT'.
I was all D: 'I just wrote 32 pages, how are you going to a library now!?'.
Yep, hope I have that awesome motivation when I need it!

Only now, I kind of want to try and do postgraduate journalism in the US.
Which will be fun to afford.

[tram]

Hahaha oh man yeah, you're in the same position as me kind of, only I am already at Melbz.
I have guaranteed full fee and currently have a H1 average.
However, I can't afford 90 000 dollars
So I will have to compete if I decide I definitely want to do the JD.  It doesn't seem too bad though, like, it will be competitive but if you keep scores that are above your peers then it seems less daunting?  It doesn't phase me so much now, it seems like something that could be achievable.

Only this guy outside REB after the final exam I had, which was also the last exam time slot, last Friday, who was like 'oh yeah man, gonna go to the library now, got the LSAT'.
I was all D: 'I just wrote 32 pages, how are you going to a library now!?'.
Yep, hope I have that awesome motivation when I need it!

Only now, I kind of want to try and do postgraduate journalism in the US.
Which will be fun to afford.

oh yea, totally

[simpak]

oh yea, totally

Dream: Postgraduate Journalism at Columbia.
I continue to seek out stressful situations for no reason at all.