Login

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

September 11, 2025, 05:35:23 pm

Author Topic: The pros and cons of VCE English  (Read 49078 times)  Share 

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

rustic_metal

  • Guest
VCE English
« Reply #60 on: October 24, 2007, 10:35:20 pm »
0
why English language?

Khangfu

  • Guest
VCE English
« Reply #61 on: October 24, 2007, 10:37:17 pm »
0
i heard its more analysis.

rustic_metal

  • Guest
VCE English
« Reply #62 on: October 24, 2007, 10:39:13 pm »
0
yeah but thats like learning to read but not write.

Khangfu

  • Guest
VCE English
« Reply #63 on: October 24, 2007, 10:39:46 pm »
0
I learn to write by reading :D

Collin Li

  • VCE Tutor
  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 4957
  • Respect: +17
VCE English
« Reply #64 on: October 24, 2007, 10:40:33 pm »
0
Quote from: "Khangfu"
His name is Thomas FOwler. See how retarded the text is. Its so gayyyyyyyyyyyy. English language would have been more preferrable


HAHAHA. The Quiet American!

So I was right, he's a darn socialist alright. Nah, I dunno about Graham Greene actually. I'll take that back, but he sounds like one.

Khangfu

  • Guest
VCE English
« Reply #65 on: October 24, 2007, 10:41:53 pm »
0
Quote from: "coblin"
Quote from: "Khangfu"
His name is Thomas FOwler. See how retarded the text is. Its so gayyyyyyyyyyyy. English language would have been more preferrable


HAHAHA. The Quiet American!

So I was right, he's a darn socialist alright.


more like a retard who thinks he knows what all the refugees of the Vietnam war wants

Collin Li

  • VCE Tutor
  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 4957
  • Respect: +17
VCE English
« Reply #66 on: October 24, 2007, 11:29:19 pm »
0
Quote from: "Khangfu"
Quote from: "coblin"
Quote from: "Khangfu"
His name is Thomas FOwler. See how retarded the text is. Its so gayyyyyyyyyyyy. English language would have been more preferrable


HAHAHA. The Quiet American!

So I was right, he's a darn socialist alright.


more like a retard who thinks he knows what all the refugees of the Vietnam war wants


Isn't Pyle the one who thinks that? The one fighting for the "greater good."

Khangfu

  • Guest
VCE English
« Reply #67 on: October 24, 2007, 11:51:04 pm »
0
IF you look @ it historically i would prefer Pyle. He did kill many yes, every other party was also doing considerable damage. Fowler after said that we "only want enough rice"

Collin Li

  • VCE Tutor
  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 4957
  • Respect: +17
VCE English
« Reply #68 on: October 25, 2007, 12:09:50 am »
0
Quote from: "Khangfu"
IF you look @ it historically i would prefer Pyle. He did kill many yes, every other party was also doing considerable damage. Fowler after said that we "only want enough rice"


I'd have to disagree with you. Look at the outcome of the Vietnam War. We retreated, we conceded. Now they are doing alright. After the end of the Cold War, more and more countries realise they need to welcome this idea of "competition" and "capitalism" and now Vietnam is doing pretty good.

AppleXY

  • Life cannot be Delta Hedged.
  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Superstar
  • ******
  • Posts: 2619
  • Even when the bears bite, confidence never dies.
  • Respect: +16
VCE English
« Reply #69 on: October 25, 2007, 07:11:40 am »
0
wow, thats pretty darn bad. Hope all goes well. Ridiculous English, ruins lives :p

2009 - BBus (Econometrics/Economics&Fin) @ Monash


For Email: click here

Need a question answered? Merspi it!

[quote="Benjamin F

Khangfu

  • Guest
VCE English
« Reply #70 on: October 25, 2007, 03:36:18 pm »
0
Quote from: "coblin"
Quote from: "Khangfu"
IF you look @ it historically i would prefer Pyle. He did kill many yes, every other party was also doing considerable damage. Fowler after said that we "only want enough rice"


I'd have to disagree with you. Look at the outcome of the Vietnam War. We retreated, we conceded. Now they are doing alright. After the end of the Cold War, more and more countries realise they need to welcome this idea of "competition" and "capitalism" and now Vietnam is doing pretty good.


We are retarded because the communism. When America retreated the communist had re education camps, they chased after soldiers who were left behind, they made concentration camps where people had to betray each other for "points" or else they would be beaten up. There were many incidents of fathers betraying sons and vice cersa. You also had to sleep next to dead bodies at night because people just couldn't take it anymore in the concetration camps and died, and you didn't even need to be a soldier to be detained. And they just coem to your house and take whatever they wanted, "thinking for the vietnamese people" my ass. They even sacked some villages taking ALL the food bringing it up north. If you ask any Vietnamese refugee, you will most likely find a strong hatred of communism. Everyone i asked preferred the corruption of America and the french over the Vietminh. They are currently brainwashing thier students( My friends cousin recently came here and denied the fact that "Bac Ho" had like 5000kids, he thought "bac ho" was a virgin).  If you don't believe that most of the Vietnamese community hate Communism, try to remember that recent SBS incident.

And whats to say we wouldn't ahve been better off with the Americans? Look at HOng Kong, they did pretty good under british rule.

Back to the text. Fowler was also doing exactly what Pyle was doing. He was killing Pyle to save the many lives that Pyle would have killed. He used violence to further his ideas, jsut like PYle. He beleived he was doing it for the greater good, just like Pyle. Remember that this si war, both sides had blood on thier hands. Pyle however fought in the interest of the Vietname people, people liek Mr Heng only wanted power. A common critique of the novel is we never have any vietnamese people playing a major role. All we have in that book is that slut of bitch, Phuong. When ever Pyle says we want education FOwler just says the people of Indochina only wanted rice. It seems like he was looking down at Indochina people, thinking we all idiots or soemthing. I do agree with Fowler view that textbook ideas such as Pyle won't work in every situation, but i strongly disagree with his assessment of Vietnam.

Collin Li

  • VCE Tutor
  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 4957
  • Respect: +17
VCE English
« Reply #71 on: October 25, 2007, 05:40:16 pm »
0
Only the citizens of Vietnam can overrun their government, not the force of foreign nations. It is this arrogant foreign policy ("democracy, even if it kills") of the neo-conservative wing of Republicans in the United States which has incited terrorist attacks.

The United States should concentrate on getting their own democracy right before they attempt to export it anywhere else.

It is the Pyles of the US society which are giving reason for terrorist networks like Al-Quaeda to grow so rapidly, because they are united in hatred against the interventionist "global-police" empire of the United States. Fowler may be looking down on the Vietnamnese, but Pyle's ideas are much more dangerous than Fowler's ("unengage", or something).

rustic_metal

  • Guest
VCE English
« Reply #72 on: October 25, 2007, 07:04:25 pm »
0
i knew this would end up a politics thread.

Khangfu

  • Guest
VCE English
« Reply #73 on: October 25, 2007, 10:05:20 pm »
0
Quote from: "coblin"
Only the citizens of Vietnam can overrun their government, not the force of foreign nations. It is this arrogant foreign policy ("democracy, even if it kills") of the neo-conservative wing of Republicans in the United States which has incited terrorist attacks.

The United States should concentrate on getting their own democracy right before they attempt to export it anywhere else.

It is the Pyles of the US society which are giving reason for terrorist networks like Al-Quaeda to grow so rapidly, because they are united in hatred against the interventionist "global-police" empire of the United States. Fowler may be looking down on the Vietnamnese, but Pyle's ideas are much more dangerous than Fowler's ("unengage", or something).


The Vietnamese people CANNOT overrun thier government. The communist are too smart, they brainwash citizens and stop rebelions before it can do anything. The difference between the vietminh and Pyle was thier intentions. I am not justifying Pyle, I am merely saying that he was the lesser of the two evils,a better option.

The point of the text is as long as the citizens of that country is happy its fine. That is what Fowler always wanted, people to be happy and safe. This can clearly be seen when he backed the foreign intervention in Burma. It did not unfairly dismiss everything colonial powers and the U.S did., thats why I like it; even though I don't like the Fowler looking down on vietnamese people and all but thats a small part.

The bombings and Al-Quaeda are all jsut religious fanatics . All they talk about is how God wants them to do it, they are as disagraceful as the Vietminh, hiding behind citizens and using them as human shields.  Iraq is pretty much gone, the people who make up a sound society, such as doctors, lawyers, teachers have all left. Only thing thats left in Iraq are fanatics and people who cannot escape.

EDITS: acknowledges and respects Coblin's opinion. Decides not to spam this thread anymore :D

Defiler

  • Guest
VCE English
« Reply #74 on: October 28, 2007, 10:13:03 am »
0
Quote from: Ahmad
I say make English compulsory but take it out of the top 4./quote]

This.