Login

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

July 27, 2025, 07:56:37 pm

Author Topic: Maths Methods 3/4 Help Thread 2011  (Read 127010 times)  Share 

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

nacho

  • The Thought Police
  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Superstar
  • ******
  • Posts: 2602
  • Respect: +418
Re: Maths Methods 3/4 Help Thread
« Reply #435 on: October 06, 2011, 11:40:10 am »
0
when taking the inverse of f(x) = (x – 3)^2/3
and we get to
(y - 3)^2/3 = x-1
why do we take the negative square root next so it is
(y-3) = -(x-1)^3/2
??
OFFICIAL FORUM RULE #1:
TrueTears is my role model so find your own

2012: BCom/BSc @ Monash
[Majors: Finance, Actuarial Studies, Mathematical Statistics]
[Minors: Psychology/ Statistics]

"Baby, it's only micro when it's soft".
-Bill Gates

Upvote me

paulsterio

  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 4803
  • I <3 2SHAN
  • Respect: +430
Re: Maths Methods 3/4 Help Thread
« Reply #436 on: October 06, 2011, 11:51:06 am »
+1
Was there a domain restriction to begin with?

paulsterio

  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 4803
  • I <3 2SHAN
  • Respect: +430
Re: Maths Methods 3/4 Help Thread
« Reply #437 on: October 06, 2011, 11:52:06 am »
0
they should, you haven't answered the question properly if you leave +c in

you technically have because "c" can be any number
whether you put +0, +pi, +e, +1000000, +iansdoiwanoinsad or +c, it doesn't matter because it's a constant

nacho

  • The Thought Police
  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Superstar
  • ******
  • Posts: 2602
  • Respect: +418
Re: Maths Methods 3/4 Help Thread
« Reply #438 on: October 06, 2011, 11:56:45 am »
0
Was there a domain restriction to begin with?
oh, yes (negative infinity , 3]
i see now

by the way,
what trial exam company would be most closest to the difficult of vcaa exams?
2010 vcaa, is that as hard as one of the hard exam companies?
« Last Edit: October 06, 2011, 12:39:33 pm by nacho »
OFFICIAL FORUM RULE #1:
TrueTears is my role model so find your own

2012: BCom/BSc @ Monash
[Majors: Finance, Actuarial Studies, Mathematical Statistics]
[Minors: Psychology/ Statistics]

"Baby, it's only micro when it's soft".
-Bill Gates

Upvote me

xZero

  • Victorian
  • Forum Leader
  • ****
  • Posts: 898
  • Respect: +68
Re: Maths Methods 3/4 Help Thread
« Reply #439 on: October 06, 2011, 01:33:17 pm »
0
you technically have because "c" can be any number
whether you put +0, +pi, +e, +1000000, +iansdoiwanoinsad or +c, it doesn't matter because it's a constant
and you have to state a specific value for c so unless if you write c=... it's not correct
2009: Chinese SLA
2010: English, Maths method[45,A+ A+ A+], Specialist maths[44,A+,A,A+], Physics[40,A,A+,A+], Psychology Atar:94.75
2011-2015: Bachelor of Aerospace Engineering/Science @ Monash

Methods/Spesh/Physics tuition

luffy

  • Victorian
  • Forum Leader
  • ****
  • Posts: 520
  • Respect: +23
  • School Grad Year: 2011
Re: Maths Methods 3/4 Help Thread
« Reply #440 on: October 07, 2011, 09:08:42 am »
0
you technically have because "c" can be any number
whether you put +0, +pi, +e, +1000000, +iansdoiwanoinsad or +c, it doesn't matter because it's a constant
and you have to state a specific value for c so unless if you write c=... it's not correct

I don't think VCAA takes marks off for leaving the +c. Mathematically speaking, the +c should always be in there as in real life, finding any ordinary anti-derivative won't be applicable. Last year, we were always taught to include the +c in all cases. Having said that, in the exam, just to be completely safe, I set c to equal 0.

EDIT: If you read the assessment report for Exam 1 2010 (question 2), they even say setting c to a real constant is not necessary.
Quote


There you go :D
« Last Edit: October 07, 2011, 09:13:55 am by luffy »

b^3

  • Honorary Moderator
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 3529
  • Overloading, just don't do it.
  • Respect: +631
  • School: Western Suburbs Area
  • School Grad Year: 2011
Re: Maths Methods 3/4 Help Thread
« Reply #441 on: October 07, 2011, 09:13:22 am »
0
you technically have because "c" can be any number
whether you put +0, +pi, +e, +1000000, +iansdoiwanoinsad or +c, it doesn't matter because it's a constant
and you have to state a specific value for c so unless if you write c=... it's not correct

I don't think VCAA takes marks off for leaving the +c. Mathematically speaking, the +c should always be in there as in real life, finding any ordinary anti-derivative won't be applicable. Last year, we were always taught to include the +c in all cases. Having said that, in the exam, just to be completely safe, I set c to equal 0.
Either is fine by VCAA, they won't take marks off.
2012-2016: Aerospace Engineering/Science (Double Major in Applied Mathematics - Monash Uni)
TI-NSPIRE GUIDES: METH, SPESH

Co-Authored AtarNotes' Maths Study Guides


I'm starting to get too old for this... May be on here or irc from time to time.

nacho

  • The Thought Police
  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Superstar
  • ******
  • Posts: 2602
  • Respect: +418
Re: Maths Methods 3/4 Help Thread
« Reply #442 on: October 07, 2011, 09:30:27 am »
0
Two dice are thrown five times. Find the probability that a difference of one occurs at least twice.

Also, a stupid question, but one that gets me all the time;
what is a picture card?
JACK, queen, king AND ace? or no ace?
OFFICIAL FORUM RULE #1:
TrueTears is my role model so find your own

2012: BCom/BSc @ Monash
[Majors: Finance, Actuarial Studies, Mathematical Statistics]
[Minors: Psychology/ Statistics]

"Baby, it's only micro when it's soft".
-Bill Gates

Upvote me

pi

  • Honorary Moderator
  • Great Wonder of ATAR Notes
  • *******
  • Posts: 14348
  • Doctor.
  • Respect: +2376
Re: Maths Methods 3/4 Help Thread
« Reply #443 on: October 07, 2011, 09:39:58 am »
0
Two dice are thrown five times. Find the probability that a difference of one occurs at least twice.

Also, a stupid question, but one that gets me all the time;
what is a picture card?
JACK, queen, king AND ace? or no ace?

No ace

b^3

  • Honorary Moderator
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 3529
  • Overloading, just don't do it.
  • Respect: +631
  • School: Western Suburbs Area
  • School Grad Year: 2011
Re: Maths Methods 3/4 Help Thread
« Reply #444 on: October 07, 2011, 09:51:40 am »
0
Two dice are thrown five times. Find the probability that a difference of one occurs at least twice.

Also, a stupid question, but one that gets me all the time;
what is a picture card?
JACK, queen, king AND ace? or no ace?
So a difference of one corresponds to (1,2), (2,1), (2,3), (3,2), (3,4), (4,3), (4,5), (5,4), (5,6), (6,5)
Each of those outcome has a probability of 1/36.
There is 10 outcomes that are success to us, so Pr(difference is 1)=10/36=5/18
The next part is a binomial distribution with p=5/18 and n=5 i.e. X~Bi(5,5/18)
Let X= the number of times our success occurs
Pr(x>=2)=1-Pr(X=0)-Pr(X=1)
=1-5C0(5/18)0(1-5/18)5-5C1(5/18)1(1-5/18)4 (or you could just do it by calculator, Menu, 5, 5, E)
=0.4256
2012-2016: Aerospace Engineering/Science (Double Major in Applied Mathematics - Monash Uni)
TI-NSPIRE GUIDES: METH, SPESH

Co-Authored AtarNotes' Maths Study Guides


I'm starting to get too old for this... May be on here or irc from time to time.

nacho

  • The Thought Police
  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Superstar
  • ******
  • Posts: 2602
  • Respect: +418
Re: Maths Methods 3/4 Help Thread
« Reply #445 on: October 07, 2011, 09:54:29 am »
0
Two dice are thrown five times. Find the probability that a difference of one occurs at least twice.

Also, a stupid question, but one that gets me all the time;
what is a picture card?
JACK, queen, king AND ace? or no ace?
So a difference of one corresponds to (1,2), (2,1), (2,3), (3,2), (3,4), (4,3), (4,5), (5,4), (5,6), (6,5)
Each of those outcome has a probability of 1/36.
There is 10 outcomes that are success to us, so Pr(difference is 1)=10/36=5/18
The next part is a binomial distribution with p=5/18 and n=5 i.e. X~Bi(5,5/18)
Let X= the number of times our success occurs
Pr(x>=2)=1-Pr(X=0)-Pr(X=1)
=1-5C0(5/18)0(1-5/18)5-5C1(5/18)1(1-5/18)4 (or you could just do it by calculator, Menu, 5, 5, E)
=0.4256
thanks, i just realised i substracted Pr(X=2) as  well
OFFICIAL FORUM RULE #1:
TrueTears is my role model so find your own

2012: BCom/BSc @ Monash
[Majors: Finance, Actuarial Studies, Mathematical Statistics]
[Minors: Psychology/ Statistics]

"Baby, it's only micro when it's soft".
-Bill Gates

Upvote me

nacho

  • The Thought Police
  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Superstar
  • ******
  • Posts: 2602
  • Respect: +418
Re: Maths Methods 3/4 Help Thread
« Reply #446 on: October 07, 2011, 02:12:23 pm »
0
 for continuous distributions, im not sure if i understand what the x and y axis represent?
before i thought x axis were the values that could be taken (eg weight = 43kg) would be (43, y) on the x-axis
but then somtimes there are negative values?
and what about y-axis?
thanks
OFFICIAL FORUM RULE #1:
TrueTears is my role model so find your own

2012: BCom/BSc @ Monash
[Majors: Finance, Actuarial Studies, Mathematical Statistics]
[Minors: Psychology/ Statistics]

"Baby, it's only micro when it's soft".
-Bill Gates

Upvote me

duquesne9995

  • Victorian
  • Forum Obsessive
  • ***
  • Posts: 244
  • Respect: +16
Re: Maths Methods 3/4 Help Thread
« Reply #447 on: October 07, 2011, 04:52:29 pm »
+1
for continuous distributions, im not sure if i understand what the x and y axis represent?
before i thought x axis were the values that could be taken (eg weight = 43kg) would be (43, y) on the x-axis
but then somtimes there are negative values?
and what about y-axis?
thanks

the x-axis can take negative values too, depending on the context of the question, obviously it can't have negative values of weight but for another problem, it can be negative

the y values are not as relevant to the probability, because the probability is the area under the curve
they are only important when looking at the mode of the distribution, where the mode is the x-value which gives the greatest y-value, but you wouldn't need to find the y-value

my question:
in Exam 1, when differentiating, are we allowed to leave answers in sec^2(x) or do we have to write 1/cos^2(x)
Thanks =]

duquesne9995

  • Victorian
  • Forum Obsessive
  • ***
  • Posts: 244
  • Respect: +16
Re: Maths Methods 3/4 Help Thread
« Reply #448 on: October 07, 2011, 08:34:15 pm »
0
e^2x +be^x +1 = 0 where b is a real constant
for what values of b will x have no real solutions?
thx in advance

thushan

  • ATAR Notes Lecturer
  • Honorary Moderator
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 4959
  • Respect: +626
Re: Maths Methods 3/4 Help Thread
« Reply #449 on: October 07, 2011, 08:34:24 pm »
0
sec^2 (x) is fine.
Managing Director  and Senior Content Developer - Decode Publishing (2020+)
http://www.decodeguides.com.au

Basic Physician Trainee - Monash Health (2019-)
Medical Intern - Alfred Hospital (2018)
MBBS (Hons.) - Monash Uni
BMedSci (Hons.) - Monash Uni

Former ATARNotes Lecturer for Chemistry, Biology