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Archived Discussion => UMAT => Results Discussion => Victoria => 2008 => Topic started by: orsel on September 23, 2008, 11:00:27 am
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Post them up, hope you like it, etc etc.
You know the drill.
I failed mine, epic lolz.
edit: I've waited more than 10 seconds now and this thread ain't on fire yet. What, you're all still asleep or something?
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Are they out?
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No, I'm just asking you to telepathically reveal your scores./sarcasm
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i got shithouse
overall score 48, thats the one isnt it?
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overall score: 59
uhh i thought it was meant to be out of 300 :S
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overall:58 lol i screwed up again..dammit.
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It's out of 100.
Last year's cut off for a UMAT interview with Monash was ~58-59 IIRC
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how do they change your score to one out of 100? Is it percentile or what?
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No-one knows.
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how do they change your score to one out of 100? Is it percentile or what?
Magic.
Interesting, seems that this year few to none performed so fabulously as to get a raw above 100 in any of the sections.
It's out of 100.
No, there's no limit on it, its just normally distributed.
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how do they change your score to one out of 100? Is it percentile or what?
Magic.
Interesting, seems that this year few to none performed so fabulously as to get a raw above 100 in any of the sections.
It's out of 100.
No, there's no limit on it, its just normally distributed.
There will be an artificial end-point, as you can't have results tending to infinity...generally speaking, in such a way that ~3+ sigma of a tail remain within the domain (much like study scores).
In addition, a 1:3 ratio (making the assumption that the /300 mark was normally distributed due to the central limit theorem and large sample size) between 300 -> 100 would suggest that a mark of 60 correlates very approximately 180+, which sounds oddly close to the cutoff on the old marking scheme.
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would a 72 (not sure what that is, but a 72) be enough for an interview?
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dcc, a 72 means you absolutely caned the UMAT. Congrats!
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dcc, a 72 means you absolutely caned the UMAT. Congrats!
not me, my gf. she just called me on the phone crying because she thinks 72 = fail. I dont understand.
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There will be an artificial end-point, as you can't have results tending to infinity...generally speaking, in such a way that ~3+ sigma of a tail remain within the domain (much like study scores).
Meh, I don't pretend to understand what that means. Some kind of ritualistic chant about 'tail', 'remain' and 'domain'? Very rhythmic. I'll try to answer to the gist of it.
Realistically, the upper limit on a raw score is maybe ~110.
But UMAT 'results' are scaled relatively. So theoretically if everybody gets zero of the questions correct, and you get all of them right, then you'd have something freakish like 200 raw. Its like how the IQ scale has no theoretical limit.
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dcc, go tell your gf to expect a Monash interview :) - the cutoff last year for one was 59!
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dcc, go tell your gf to expect a Monash interview :) - the cutoff last year for one was 59!
have you got an internet source for this?
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dcc, go tell your gf to expect a Monash interview :) - the cutoff last year for one was 59!
Hold that thought. 79 as in 79% or 79 raw? If its raw that's good; the former not so much.
Also take into account that this year's cutoff is going to explode thanks to the Melbourne Model.
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I have a hard-copy source, as in a letter from Monash, telling me that my overall score of 57 was not enough and 59 was the cut-off for an interview.
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dcc, go tell your gf to expect a Monash interview :) - the cutoff last year for one was 59!
Hold that thought. 79 as in 79% or 79 raw? If its raw that's good; the former not so much.
Also take into account that this year's cutoff is going to explode thanks to the Melbourne Model.
dcc, go tell your gf to expect a Monash interview :) - the cutoff last year for one was 59!
Hold that thought. 79 as in 79% or 79 raw? If its raw that's good; the former not so much.
Also take into account that this year's cutoff is going to explode thanks to the Melbourne Model.
... No it isn't. Don't spread misinformation, and think before you scare people.
Before the Melbourne Model, EVERYONE who applied to Melbourne applied to Monash, yeah? So Monash extended interviews to the FULL cohort of people. So the UMAT score required for the interview will not go up. What will probably go up is the ultimate UMAT and ENTER required to actually get in.
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i got 76th percentile?
is that good?
medicine quality.. i dont think so? lol
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ppl are all talking about the umat cutoff score for Monash med, but how about optometery and dental science at uom?
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i got 76th percentile?
is that good?
medicine quality.. i dont think so? lol
That's not bad :) u still got a chance in getting into med
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gabrielle_ if it was 76 overall, you probably have an interview offer! The overall score for an interview last year at monash was 59.
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yeah it wasn't overall.
i got overall of 55!
i don't think i'll get an offer.
:(
fingers crossed though
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yeh, there's big difference between overall score and percentile!
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My friend got an overall score of 40, does she have any chance of getting in Med?
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My friend got an overall score of 40, does she have any chance of getting in Med?
i'd say no, it sucks how a few hours determines ur career aye?
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'Such is life'
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... No it isn't. Don't spread misinformation, and think before you scare people.
Before the Melbourne Model, EVERYONE who applied to Melbourne applied to Monash, yeah? So Monash extended interviews to the FULL cohort of people. So the UMAT score required for the interview will not go up. What will probably go up is the ultimate UMAT and ENTER required to actually get in.
How 'bout you do some research before you spread misinformation. Not to sound too aggressive, but even presuming that "Before the Melbourne Model, EVERYONE who applied to Melbourne applied to Monash, yeah?", which is only approximately true, Monash will probably be issuing less interviews this year as:
- they do not have full-fee places anymore so there are less places overall
- no longer have to account for people with Melbourne 1st pref
Also, each year there is more competition. There is an increasing trend in number of people sitting UMAT.
gabrielle_ if it was 76 overall, you probably have an interview offer! The overall score for an interview last year at monash was 59.
Stop saying that, she explicitly mentioned it was 76%, therefore, though I am loath to say it, there is little to no chance of getting into medicine at Monash at the least(though of course there are other unis).
Better to err on the side of pessimism than to give false hope.
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... They NEVER 'account'ed for people w/ a 1st pref. for melb. They gave you an offer regardless of WHERE your monash preference was, just so long as you *had* one.
The overall volume of interview offers will not change much. If it (the cut-off score) goes up, it will go up marginally to perhaps 61 or 62.
And I recall saying "IF" it was a 76 *overall*. When people look at their UMAT results, it's confusing. Often, people get confused between what they're reading and what looks like a 76 percentile might be a ridiculously awesome score.
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... No it isn't. Don't spread misinformation, and think before you scare people.
Before the Melbourne Model, EVERYONE who applied to Melbourne applied to Monash, yeah? So Monash extended interviews to the FULL cohort of people. So the UMAT score required for the interview will not go up. What will probably go up is the ultimate UMAT and ENTER required to actually get in.
How 'bout you do some research before you spread misinformation. Not to sound too aggressive, but even presuming that "Before the Melbourne Model, EVERYONE who applied to Melbourne applied to Monash, yeah?", which is only approximately true, Monash will probably be issuing less interviews this year as:
- they do not have full-fee places anymore so there are less places overall
- no longer have to account for people with Melbourne 1st pref
Also, each year there is more competition. There is an increasing trend in number of people sitting UMAT.
gabrielle_ if it was 76 overall, you probably have an interview offer! The overall score for an interview last year at monash was 59.
Stop saying that, she explicitly mentioned it was 76%, therefore, though I am loath to say it, there is little to no chance of getting into medicine at Monash at the least(though of course there are other unis).
Better to err on the side of pessimism than to give false hope.
Why don't you research your sources? Mr Rudd specifically said the loss of revenue due to abolishing of full fee places will be covered by the federal government, so to keep the number of places available the same.
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Yep, places will stay the same, volume of applications will stay the same. Interview offer UMAT will stay the same. But, with no Melbourne places anymore, the final scores required (UMAT + Interview + ENTER) will probably go up quite considerably.
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my dreams are shattttteredd.
ahahha looks like i'll be the one handing him a scalpel! SICK! (N)
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'Such is life'
amen.
Anyhow...I'm about to log in. I'm suprisingly not that nervous....I did MedEntry and all the scores I got were 0-20 percintile and the highest was about 60. I think MedEntry hasn't helped me with UMAT Prep, but instead preparing for UMAT results. However, I still have hope. Ok I'm going to shutup now and long in!!
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I'll admit that I only offered that '1st pref' as possible speculation, but you still ignore my point on full-fee places and increased candidate numbers.
Also,
When people look at their UMAT results, it's confusing. Often, people get confused between what they're reading and what looks like a 76 percentile might be a ridiculously awesome score.
at least give her enough credit to read the huge letters "Overall Score".
gabrielle_ if it was 76 overall, you probably have an interview offer!
I dislike your overly optimistic tone, lol.
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"Why don't you research your sources? Mr Rudd specifically said the loss of revenue due to abolishing of full fee places will be covered by the federal government, so to keep the number of places available the same."
But weren't full-fees offered entirely independent of no. of CSPs? As in, I think that refers to the number of CSPs remaining the same, but no full-fee = less places in total.
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Holy crap dcc, your girlfriend is a bloody genius if she got 72 overall
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I'll admit that I only offered that '1st pref' as possible speculation, but you still ignore my point on full-fee places and increased candidate numbers.
Also,
When people look at their UMAT results, it's confusing. Often, people get confused between what they're reading and what looks like a 76 percentile might be a ridiculously awesome score.
at least give her enough credit to read the huge letters "Overall Score".
gabrielle_ if it was 76 overall, you probably have an interview offer!
I dislike your overly optimistic tone, lol.
you have successfully ignored my (and his) reply re your number of places
and I highly resent your condescending tone.
My sincere congratulations to those who achieved well (esp dcc's gf, if it is indeed the overall score), and consolation to those who had higher aims. They say you will always get to where you want, it just depends on which route you take =]
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"Why don't you research your sources? Mr Rudd specifically said the loss of revenue due to abolishing of full fee places will be covered by the federal government, so to keep the number of places available the same."
But weren't full-fees offered entirely independent of no. of CSPs? As in, I think that refers to the number of CSPs remaining the same, but no full-fee = less places in total.
do your research, and you'll find that it refers to total number of places
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FAILED!!! Goodbye monash.......hello graduate med!!! ;D
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I'll admit that I only offered that '1st pref' as possible speculation, but you still ignore my point on full-fee places and increased candidate numbers.
Also,
When people look at their UMAT results, it's confusing. Often, people get confused between what they're reading and what looks like a 76 percentile might be a ridiculously awesome score.
at least give her enough credit to read the huge letters "Overall Score".
gabrielle_ if it was 76 overall, you probably have an interview offer!
I dislike your overly optimistic tone, lol.
you have successfully ignored my (and his) reply re your number of places
and I highly resent your condescending tone.
My sincere congratulations to those who achieved well (esp dcc's gf, if it is indeed the overall score), and consolation to those who had higher aims. They say you will always get to where you want, it just depends on which route you take =]
Only in response to his choice to selectively ignore my post.
Sif reading my tone as condescending. I'm sorry if you do feel offended, but I only escalated my original post in response to the accusatory implications. After all, none of this actually affects me, don't take me too serious k?
edit: lol karma went down. Nice, too much + for some reason anyway. So Mao, why so serious?
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You all need to dumb it down for the blonde poeple reading the forum. My vocubulary is little.
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umm...quick question, but does anybody know what the cut off for dent (SA, melb)or pharmacy(monash) is?
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for those with crappy umat scores, like 48 for example, does that rule you out from doing stuff like pharmacy/dentistry etc?
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ok, some one tell me realistic chances of getting an interview at any university for med in australia (i applied to all)
percentile of 93 with an overall of 61
i dont know if the combined scores count but a total of 182 and WUMAT of 246.
appreciate your help.
ham.
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Only in response to his choice to selectively ignore my post.
Sif reading my tone as condescending. I'm sorry if you do feel offended, but I only escalated my original post in response to the accusatory implications. After all, none of this actually affects me, don't take me too serious k?
edit: lol karma went down. Nice, too much + for some reason anyway. So Mao, why so serious?
he replied here: http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,5580.msg67318.html#msg67318
though I got to it faster.
I am not personally offended, but I am disgusted at the what you say. If none of this affects you, I see little reason for any further input from you. In my opinion, this is nothing short of "trolling".
ALSO, i don't bitch when I get -ve.
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for those with crappy umat scores, like 48 for example, does that rule you out from doing stuff like pharmacy/dentistry etc?
yeah yeah!! does anyone know?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (i got the exact same thing btw!) im praying for dent. definitely not at melb at this rate but hopefully at SA
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I'll admit that I only offered that '1st pref' as possible speculation, but you still ignore my point on full-fee places and increased candidate numbers.
Also,
When people look at their UMAT results, it's confusing. Often, people get confused between what they're reading and what looks like a 76 percentile might be a ridiculously awesome score.
at least give her enough credit to read the huge letters "Overall Score".
gabrielle_ if it was 76 overall, you probably have an interview offer!
I dislike your overly optimistic tone, lol.
you have successfully ignored my (and his) reply re your number of places
and I highly resent your condescending tone.
My sincere congratulations to those who achieved well (esp dcc's gf, if it is indeed the overall score), and consolation to those who had higher aims. They say you will always get to where you want, it just depends on which route you take =]
Only in response to his choice to selectively ignore my post.
Sif reading my tone as condescending. I'm sorry if you do feel offended, but I only escalated my original post in response to the accusatory implications. After all, none of this actually affects me, don't take me too serious k?
edit: lol karma went down. Nice, too much + for some reason anyway. So Mao, why so serious?
I don't like your tone either orsel.
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Mao: So I guess you want me to address to you a serious argument for Monash cutoff to increase, given that you bothered to decrease my karma for my previous posting. Again, apologies for 'being a douche', if you will take my assurance that that was not my intention.
Why don't you research your sources? Mr Rudd specifically said the loss of revenue due to abolishing of full fee places will be covered by the federal government, so to keep the number of places available the same.
Okay, but I went to the Monash med and health science faculty open day back in ?August?. They said there, and it says on their website/booklet that they will be offering the same number of CSP places this year as last, in spite of the full-fee abolishment. I assume this means that there will therefore be fewer places available.
volume of applications will stay the same.
Probably not. Often interstaters(and also whoever else cares for the reputation) only apply for UniMelb because of the prestige, choosing not to go for Monash. If they make it, they'll come to Melbourne rather than stay in their own state; if not, they remain in their own state's universities. But now Monash will be perceived as the 'best' in Victoria, so I expect there'll be more applications.
edit: ALSO, i don't bitch when I get -ve.
I'm not bloody bitching. No, seriously. Only you seem to be taking this too literally, when IMO I'm clearly being offhand because there is no point debating on the interwebz.
Coblin: thx for the love <3
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My friend got an overall score of 40, does she have any chance of getting in Med?
i'd say no, it sucks how a few hours determines ur career aye?
Not really, there are always pathways into medicine like grad med, allied health or even lateral entry if you do well enough during your undergrad.
Don't lose hope yet! If you want it enough, you'll get there (eventually!)
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Holy crap dcc, your girlfriend is a bloody genius if she got 72 overall
lol i think she meant percentile :(
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Holy crap dcc, your girlfriend is a bloody genius if she got 72 overall
lol i think she meant percentile :(
Still very high!
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Better to err on the side of pessimism than to give false hope.
There is no need to kick a person who is already (metaphorically) on the floor unconscious.
In other words, a lot of people are disappointed in their results already...you don't need to make it worse for them.
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Better to err on the side of pessimism than to give false hope.
There is no need to kick a person who is already (metaphorically) on the floor unconscious.
In other words, a lot of people are disappointed in their results already...you don't need to make it worse for them.
I'm not a psychologist, but I am an economist. The correction period will occur eventually. You can choose to bolster it with lies (like central banks are doing now, by introducing new credit), but eventually it will crunch. The reality will come sooner or later. There's no clear answer which one is the best approach (short-run pain or long-run pain), so why attack orsel for trying to state the truth?
People can make their own minds up.
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Better to err on the side of pessimism than to give false hope.
There is no need to kick a person who is already (metaphorically) on the floor unconscious.
In other words, a lot of people are disappointed in their results already...you don't need to make it worse for them.
I think I phrased that better in the full post. Don't quote me out of context please. I already say that I hate to break bad news to the people who post along the lines of "Will I get in?", but dude,
Still very high!
that is equally, if not more, cruel to exaggerate. If you don't do well, try again and don't give in, but if you have failed this time, accept it and move on. Don't trick them into believing they have a good chance if they don't. I know you have good intentions behind it, but its just not on.
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Of course reality will come sooner than later, but let them find out when they get their offer letters.
The interesting thing is that orsel has not factored in last year's cut-off of 59 in his predictions (for Monash). He's being basically 'no, you won't get in' for a person in the 76th percentile without seeking the additional information.
But, I digress from the original point: his condescending tone isn't needed here.
EDIT: Opinion was formed based on comparison to why my brother got, where his overall score was in the 50 region and in a similar numbered percentile.
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Better to err on the side of pessimism than to give false hope.
There is no need to kick a person who is already (metaphorically) on the floor unconscious.
In other words, a lot of people are disappointed in their results already...you don't need to make it worse for them.
I think I phrased that better in the full post. Don't quote me out of context please. I already say that I hate to break bad news to the people who post along the lines of "Will I get in?", but dude,
Still very high!
that is equally, if not more, cruel to exaggerate. If you don't do well, try again and don't give in, but if you have failed this time, accept it and move on. Don't trick them into believing they have a good chance if they don't. I know you have good intentions behind it, but its just not on.
How is it more cruel? While in a single variable case, it may very well be bad to give false hopes where there is none - this is a bi-variate case. Yes, UMAT is a factor...but you don't need to strike a person's morale down when VCE exams are around the corner.
In terms of economics vs. psychology - the self-correction would naturally occur at offer time. It is only because there is the lubricant of information in this forum that it may occur earlier.
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The interesting thing is that orsel has not factored in last year's cut-off of 59 in his predictions (for Monash). He's being basically 'no, you won't get in' for a person in the 76th percentile without seeking the additional information.
I've got the graph in front of me and I can see that 76% gets you in the 54 region. So Monash cutoff would have to go down for even an interview. Not likely. She also stated that she got 55 overall.
But, I digress from the original point: his condescending tone isn't needed here.
I fail to see where I was condescending, but I guess two separate apologies aren't good enough.
So let me emphatically say once more that if you were offended by my tone, personally or no, that was not my intention, and I am sorry.
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How is it more cruel? While in a single variable case, it may very well be bad to give false hopes where there is none - this is a bi-variate case. Yes, UMAT is a factor...but you don't need to strike a person's morale down when VCE exams are around the corner.
In terms of economics vs. psychology - the self-correction would naturally occur at offer time. It is only because there is the lubricant of information in this forum that it may occur earlier.
How about you stop making assumptions about what people want, and let people answer questions? People asked what their score will get them.
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The interesting thing is that orsel has not factored in last year's cut-off of 59 in his predictions (for Monash). He's being basically 'no, you won't get in' for a person in the 76th percentile without seeking the additional information.
I've got the graph in front of me and I can see that 76% gets you in the 54 region. So Monash cutoff would have to go down for even an interview. Not likely. She also stated that she got 55 overall.
But, I digress from the original point: his condescending tone isn't needed here.
I fail to see where I was condescending, but I guess two separate apologies aren't good enough.
So let me emphatically say once more that if you were offended by my tone, personally or no, that was not my intention, and I am sorry.
Thank you.
How is it more cruel? While in a single variable case, it may very well be bad to give false hopes where there is none - this is a bi-variate case. Yes, UMAT is a factor...but you don't need to strike a person's morale down when VCE exams are around the corner.
In terms of economics vs. psychology - the self-correction would naturally occur at offer time. It is only because there is the lubricant of information in this forum that it may occur earlier.
How about you stop making assumptions about what people want, and let people answer questions? People asked what their score will get them.
Of course, but like I said, there is no need to have a condescending tone while being pessimistic about it. Nothing wrong with being pessimistic or cautious, but the delivery needs to be considered.
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Has anyone taken a gap year to do the UMAT again. Please share your thoughts, I'm really considering doing this!
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Well, could you at least tell me where I was being condescending, so that I won't do it again?
though I am loath to say it, there is little to no chance of getting into medicine at Monash at the least(though of course there are other unis).
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@ Chocoholic - I know someone who did this and they were still unhappy with their final result. I guess you have to ask yourself was there something really lacking in your preparation or did you severely underperform? Because at least now there's always Grad. Med. at UoM via Biomedicine.
OR get 99.90...which is how high UoM reckons you need to score to prove to them that you're intelligent enough to do med. As if 99.80ers are not smart enough or something...
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Has anyone taken a gap year to do the UMAT again. Please share your thoughts, I'm really considering doing this!
Have you considered interstate?
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Well, could you at least tell me where I was being condescending, so that I won't do it again?
though I am loath to say it, there is little to no chance of getting into medicine at Monash at the least(though of course there are other unis).
For future reference (i.e. those for next year), probably ppl should just say what they reckon the cut-off will be and leave it at that. It just seems all the more shattering if you say it bluntly and directly referring to them, even if they do ask for it.
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Has anyone taken a gap year to do the UMAT again. Please share your thoughts, I'm really considering doing this!
Have you considered interstate?
yeah. I'm applying interstate. The only unis that would take me with my UMAT score are JCU, and Bond(which I'm not applying to) and maybe Tassy. But I still haven't made a decision, I'll work it out once I recieve my offers and then I might defer if I don't get accepted into med anywhere.
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which number do we look at the overall csore or the percentile rank?
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it's up to u buddy! :)
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um is 55 possibly a good score, like it is possible for the cut off to be that low for med?
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@ Chocoholic - I know someone who did this and they were still unhappy with their final result. I guess you have to ask yourself was there something really lacking in your preparation or did you severely underperform? Because at least now there's always Grad. Med. at UoM via Biomedicine.
yeah that's what I'm afraid of. I don't want to 'waste' a year and in the end have the same results. I did medentry, but I ran out of time and ended up doing their practice exams in the week or two leading up to the umat. But the thing is heaps of people say theses courses don't make a difference, so I don't know if I actually would of done better If I prepared more productively.
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um is 55 possibly a good score, like it is possible for the cut off to be that low for med?
overall??
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um is 55 possibly a good score, like it is possible for the cut off to be that low for med?
overall??
yeah, with 76th percentile
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um is 55 possibly a good score, like it is possible for the cut off to be that low for
55 is aright, the cutoff your talking about is dependent on which unis u looking at. I do know in Monash last year the cutoff score was 59 but for this year it depends...
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um is 55 possibly a good score, like it is possible for the cut off to be that low for
55 is aright, the cutoff your talking about is dependent on which unis u looking at. I do know in Monash last year the cutoff score was 59 but for this year it depends...
i guess its an ok score since i miss half the questions for section 1 because of the time
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Check out MSO, there's a whole thread on what scores(UMAT and ENTER) people got last year for their offers.
here's the link
http://www.medstudentsonline.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=5173
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um is 55 possibly a good score, like it is possible for the cut off to be that low for
55 is aright, the cutoff your talking about is dependent on which unis u looking at. I do know in Monash last year the cutoff score was 59 but for this year it depends...
i guess its an ok score since i miss half the questions for section 1 because of the time
omg!!! me too. Section 2 was the only section I did properly. I guessed waaay too much in S1 & S3 to get anywhere near a good UMAT score(my maths methods probability skills confirm this....i used binomial, lol)
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At times like these, I wish DFEE places existed.
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Well, could you at least tell me where I was being condescending, so that I won't do it again?
though I am loath to say it, there is little to no chance of getting into medicine at Monash at the least(though of course there are other unis).
For future reference (i.e. those for next year), probably ppl should just say what they reckon the cut-off will be and leave it at that. It just seems all the more shattering if you say it bluntly and directly referring to them, even if they do ask for it.
How trivial is it for Mao and Excalibur to get stirred up over that? I think there's better advice, and it's for them to stop whinging for other people, about their results.
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For those who were asking for proof that last year's Monash interview cut-off was 59 overall:
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8585/letter0001dg9.jpg)
So I'm guessing you'd need to get over 60/61, unless you're rural
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does anyone no the cut off for dentistry at melb or uni adelaide
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does anyone no the cut off for dentistry at melb or uni adelaide
Sorry I'm not sure what it is. However, you can apply to LaTrobe in bendigo. Last year people received 2nd round offers with ENTER's of 96.something
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does anyone no the cut off for dentistry at melb or uni adelaide
Sorry I'm not sure what it is. However, you can apply to LaTrobe in bendigo. Last year people received 2nd round offers with ENTER's of 96.something
yeh i was always going to apply their but melb is just closer to home
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does anyone no the cut off for dentistry at melb or uni adelaide
Sorry I'm not sure what it is. However, you can apply to LaTrobe in bendigo. Last year people received 2nd round offers with ENTER's of 96.something
yeh i was always going to apply their but melb is just closer to home
Fair enough. I'm not sure what the actual cut-off was but there are different streams they use, like High UMAT, High ENTER, or a combination of both.
Read about it here:http://www.dent.unimelb.edu.au/dsweb/future_students/undergrad/bdsc3.html
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Hey people
If you applied interstate, you still have a chance. I'm afraid that the monash overall cut-off score for interview is likely to be over 60. However, if you ENTER is strong you still might be a chance for interviews at UAdel and UNSW. In the coming two months all universities that you applied too will let you know about their interview process and the rest of the application cycle.
Don't be too bummed though
When i graduated high school in 2005 i got 85 and was in a course (defered) i really didn't want to do. So after working for a year i went back to school in 2007 with the sole goal of getting in medicine. The moral being that second chances are a possibility if you want it enough, i think after the dejection of getting scores today, alot of you really need to carefully consider the options you will take for next year
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BA22, did your UMAT results also improve after re-doing year 12? and what were your options if you didn't get into med the second time round? I know i sound like an interviewer, but it's good to hear from someone who's experienced it all!
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ok, some one tell me realistic chances of getting an interview at any university for med in australia (i applied to all)
percentile of 93 with an overall of 61
i dont know if the combined scores count but a total of 182 and WUMAT of 246.
appreciate your help.
ham.
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Choc: I didn;t apply to med the first time round and i only sat the UMAT once (in 2007). I really had no other prefereences and hadn't given any serious thought as to what i might do if i didn't get in
Ham: That score is really all that bad, you'll be in the mix for a monash interview and quite possibly UWA, UAdel, UWS and UNCLE. But you'll have to play to the waiting game like we did
PS waiting game sucks
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so what are my chances percentage wise, 50 or more like 10
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It's really difficult to tell, the impact of the Melbourne model is going to be hard to predict. Monash will let you know soon enough
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fingers crossed.
thanks again.
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I got an overall score of 60 and 91%ile overall.
I'm relieved that results are out on one hand, but I feel even more uncertain about my chances after receiving my results than I did before.
Does anyone know if 59 score last year was a similar %ile to 59 this year?
Because I was thinking that the difference between 59 and 60 scores seems quite small, but maybe the %gap between the two might be more comforting?
PS: Is there an approximate date for interview offers for Monash to be released?
Thanks.
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dont know much about the UMAT but is 81 good?
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ok, some one tell me realistic chances of getting an interview at any university for med in australia (i applied to all)
percentile of 93 with an overall of 61
i dont know if the combined scores count but a total of 182 and WUMAT of 246.
appreciate your help.
ham.
If you applied to all of them, you should definitely get a couple with an overall like that. I had 98 percentile and 65 overall, and that got me into first round UNSW, so with a 61, I'm pretty sure you'll be fine. Only one no-one's really certain about right now is Monash because the competition is going to be a killer...Hopefully it stays roughly around the same as last year...
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dont know much about the UMAT but is 81 good?
81% or overall 81? (if thats even possible?)
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no idea- if it's 81/100 is that really high?
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Here's the ranking curves for anyone who's interested, since you need to actually log-in to see them. And yes, judging from the first graph, overall 81 is possible...although its literally the top .5% or so =P
(http://umatreg.acer.edu.au/_images/percentile08.GIF)
(http://umatreg.acer.edu.au/_images/percentile08s1.GIF)
(http://umatreg.acer.edu.au/_images/percentile08s2.GIF)
(http://umatreg.acer.edu.au/_images/percentile08s3.GIF)
Golfa: If its 81/100, I'll assume its a percentile since overall score doesn't have a upper bound. And in that case, its decent for stuff like pharm or optom I'd say, but for med...mmm..I'd say at least 90s?
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56 overall, 80th percentile
:( so close
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what does overall mean, do they average out the three sections?
and also, how many qsts. do you need to get correct to be in the top 90th percentile?
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No one knows how ACER works out the scaled section scores so yeh, it's really quite strange. To be in the 90th percentile from that graph above, you had to of had a scaled score of ~60, but yeh, yet again no one really knows how that's calculated since ACER seems to give different weighting to different questions and such, so it's quite hard to answer both of your questions =S
EDIT: Took out incorrect info =T
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fiddy-god damn-seven. Score of 52 on third section ruined me. Biomed at melb it is.
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Aww... Don't feel so disheartened everyone! There are still many other avenues for opportunity to pursue a career in Medicine, Dentistry, and other fields of interest where the UMAT is concerned. Try traveling interstate. I have heard in Adelaide, you require an ENTER of 90, and UMAT scores are not as essential as they are at Monash and Melbourne. Or, go to another University, work yourself silly, and then get a transfer after a year. There are a plethora of opportunities to pursue your goals... NEVER GIVE UP!
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Aww... Don't feel so disheartened everyone! There are still many other avenues for opportunity to pursue a career in Medicine, Dentistry, and other fields of interest where the UMAT is concerned. Try traveling interstate. I have heard in Adelaide, you require an ENTER of 90, and UMAT scores are not as essential as they are at Monash and Melbourne. Or, go to another University, work yourself silly, and then get a transfer after a year. There are a plethora of opportunities to pursue your goals... NEVER GIVE UP!
Amen to that. :)
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PS: Is there an approximate date for interview offers for Monash to be released?
Monash call ppl during NOV for inteviews in around DEC.
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what does overall mean, do they average out the three sections?
and also, how many qsts. do you need to get correct to be in the top 90th percentile?
If u did look at the scores u got for each section and then add them up and divide by three, u'll find that's your overall scrore! So basically it's the average out of the three sections!
But as for how many q's u need to get right to be in a certain percentile, I can't help ya with that :(
... Only ACER knows :)
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im a bit disappointed. i only got 55 overall (76th percentile). I try to make myself feel better by saying only smart ppl do it so 76th isnt so bad :P
also im sorta confused. i had to guess the last 10-15 questions for section 1 but i was certain i only got one maybe two questions wrong in section 3 yet i got a 53 for 1 and 57 for two....
well lucky the course i wanna do doesnt need the UMAT :P
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what does overall mean, do they average out the three sections?
and also, how many qsts. do you need to get correct to be in the top 90th percentile?
If u did look at the scores u got for each section and then add them up and divide by three, u'll find that's your overall scrore! So basically it's the average out of the three sections!
yes, thats what i thought too. thanks for the replies merlin and shinjitsuzx.
What prepartion courses are out there for UMAT and which ones did you do?
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why would you resit the UMAT again?
what happens if you dont get in next year, not saying that you wont, but if you get 99.00 ENTER which is probably what you will get with those ss shown in your sig., you can still get a gaurantee spot in UoM??
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I did Medentry and was getting 95-99 percentile for the practice exams for sections 1 and 2 yet I did crap on the UMAT
Yeh, they always pump you up at these places, tell you that you'll do awesome if you go with them. It's all marketing that leads many, many students to have a false sense of security when sitting the actual exam
And people are usually $500-$1000 lighter for their troubles
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So glad I didn't have to do the UMAT after reading this thread.
Really sucks for some people...
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Yes those UMAT preps will help the students in some form or another however the prices they charge are heavily inflated.
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What prepartion courses are out there for UMAT and which ones did you do?
I went to zero.
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I did MedEntry. Like people have said, yes it is quite a rip, but it DEFINITELY does help, although to a very marginal amount in something as aptitude based as UMAT. But well, if you really want to get into med, then going through the hundred hour grind of practise exams on the system and paying the $500 is something you'll have to do to get that slight advantage you just might need =\
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does monash ignore any section or double weight any section or do they just crudely use the overall score to decide our fates?
Overall score I'm quite sure.
Cut-off was 59 last year.
A couple of years ago they used percentiles and the cut-off was around 240ish for an interview. (which seems easier actually)
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does monash ignore any section or double weight any section or do they just crudely use the overall score to decide our fates?
Certainly uom's optometery and dental science puts double weighting on section 1 of the Umat. :o
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From what I've seen, most ppl do condsiderably worse in section 1 as compared to other sections!
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Anyone agree?
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From what I've seen, most ppl do condsiderably worse in section 1 as compared to other sections!
I actually did best in this section. Good guessing.
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I don't know first-hand, but isn't doing 1st year Science, at the same uni, with identical subjects, by far the easiest and most direct option if you don't get into med 1st year? [Didn't see anyone mention this.]
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i thought that monash didn't accept sideline entry (from another course/institution) into medicine.
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I don't know first-hand, but isn't doing 1st year Science, at the same uni, with identical subjects, by far the easiest and most direct option if you don't get into med 1st year? [Didn't see anyone mention this.]
The competition will be rough with the GAMSAT, CV and interview. Also u'd have to be 'dux' of the science cohort.
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i thought that monash didn't accept sideline entry (from another course/institution) into medicine.
They don't, the funny thing is, a friend in Biomed says some people they know are trying to transfer to med at the end of the year, not realising yet that it doesn't happen here
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You can do that at a lot of interstate unis though - UWA, UNSW, UNCLE, JCU, UWS, UTAS, you could probably throw in a couple more acronyms for good measure.
I think Monash might even be in the minority for not accepting non-Year 12 leavers.
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From what I've seen, most ppl do condsiderably worse in section 1 as compared to other sections!
Actually from what I've seen, most of the higher scoring people tend to do worst in section 2 =P I have a feeling this is because those who tend to be good at section 2 suck more at stuff like logic and reasoning and such which are in section 1 and 3, and vice versa for those who are good at section 1 and 3 (yes, massive generalisation; shh). Thing is, theres 2 sections with an emphasis on logic and reasoning, and only 1 on understanding people, so those who are good at logic and reasoning tend to get the advantage =T Like yeh, I got around 60 percentile for section 2 but ended up with 98 percentile overall anyhow. I had a friend who had 100 percentile but had around 70 percentile for section 2 as well. Just goes to show that pretty much EVERYONE at the top end of the scale didn't do too great on section 2 given that such low section 2 scores can still get that high =\
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I agree actually, as a general trend people tend to be EITHER very strong in the logic sections OR in the emotional section. Weirdly, I don't fit into that at all though - my percentiles were almost exactly equal for each of the sections...
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I agree actually, as a general trend people tend to be EITHER very strong in the logic sections OR in the emotional section. Weirdly, I don't fit into that at all though - my percentiles were almost exactly equal for each of the sections...
The emotion section doesn't require much logic? =/
Someone explain either way, I'm curious, I'd like to learn
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emotion section? just watch the OC or gossip girl.
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emotion section? just watch the OC or gossip girl.
The people there are shallow and thus have no emotions.
Nah srsly, those who know me would have some understanding that my perception of emotions is based mainly on inferring from the dialog and missing all the communication that goes on with body language, tone of voice etc. And the UMAT is also missing body language and voice tone. Therefore you need logic only to work out emotions on UMAT? =/
or do I fail and my lack of skills is advantageous for umat testing :P on the questions I've seen I haven't gotten an emotion Qn wrong.
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i thought the point of umat was to test for humanistic characteristics. Whats the point of it when a lot of people at the top end do average to above average at section 2, the part that should differentiate the really smart maths wizzs with no skills at understanding people from other smart people who can actually comprehend emotions.
I got like 95 percentile for section 2, 80 something for section 1 but 60+ for section 3. I dont really fit the generalisation =/
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hey POP what was your overall score?
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hey POP what was your overall score?
57 or >84%
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:o so close to 59...
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59 is probably too low an aim this year though
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59 is probably too low an aim this year though
What do people expect the cut-off for Monash to be this year?
Also do all people who attain the cut-off score get invited for an interview? Becuase if Monash are strict about having 700 interviews it's unlikely that the scores will work out so that the person ranked 700th is the last person who scored at the cut-off.
Thanks.
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i have a feeling they'll end up with a bunch of very passionate robots.
'I want to do medicine because I like to help people.' SUCCESS!
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word on the street is they are doing less interviews than normal this year - closer to 500 or so so that makes it even harder to get a monash interview.
i have a feeling they'll end up with a bunch of very passionate robots.
Well that's the first time I've heard that. I hope that it's just a rumour- because if it's true then that might just be the end of it.
Was that said at Monash open day or something, or is it more recent?
Thanks.
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My careers lady showed me a power point saying 600 interviews this year.
WOuld 57 overall score on umat be enough for SA, dentistry in ballarat and tas uni?
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The UMAT requirement at UTAS is very high and they favour tasmanian students over interstate ones. It's actually very difficult to get into UTAS as an interstate school leaver. I think you mean dentistry at latrobe in bendigo, i'm not sure what score would be required
I don't know why they would have less interviews than last year, that doesn't seem to make much sense
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I don't think Latrobe requires the UMAT? (confirm?)
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No, they dont
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^I know I've heard that somewhere, but I can't remember exactly.
They also don't have full fee spots anymore, on which they had no real limit(I think) to how many they could offer. Except the number of seats available in the lecture halls.
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^I know I've heard that somewhere, but I can't remember exactly.
They also don't have full fee spots anymore, on which they had no real limit(I think) to how many they could offer. Except the number of seats available in the lecture halls.
Yes. There are no more full fee paying students, however I'm not too sure whether it would have an impact on less students being offered tertiary places because of this new scheme. I wouldn't think so but I believe it may be more competitive this year.
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^I know I've heard that somewhere, but I can't remember exactly.
They also don't have full fee spots anymore, on which they had no real limit(I think) to how many they could offer. Except the number of seats available in the lecture halls.
Yes. There are no more full fee paying students, however I'm not too sure whether it would have an impact on less students being offered tertiary places because of this new scheme. I wouldn't think so but I believe it may be more competitive this year.
Aww...And full-fee paying usually had lower ENTER scores as well. :(